tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14600985.post6047170923054470823..comments2023-11-03T14:59:31.910+00:00Comments on The Growlery: Déjà vu, all over againUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14600985.post-42896883661133483712009-03-03T15:34:00.000+00:002009-03-03T15:34:00.000+00:00Whenever I hear about three wishes I hear Robin Wi...Whenever I hear about three wishes I hear Robin Williams in Alladin doing his genie monologue.Dr. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255898610620668624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14600985.post-87094235367470386222009-03-02T13:00:00.000+00:002009-03-02T13:00:00.000+00:00Just thought of another example: Run Lola Run, whi...Just thought of another example: <I><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_Lola_Run" REL="nofollow">Run Lola Run</A></I>, which reduces the loop to three iterations, with some information passed on to the next. That rather suggests a loose relationship of the time-loop story to that of the three-wish or multiple-wish story (whether in folkore or more sophisticated forms like <I><A HREF="http://gaslight.mtroyal.ab.ca/mnkyspaw.htm" REL="nofollow">The Monkey's Paw</A></I>, <I>Bedazzled</I> or even <I><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butterfly_Effect" REL="nofollow">The Butterfly Effect</A></I>). Those too offer iterations, usually leading to a progressive mess, with gaining wisdom (i.e. "leave well alone") as the outcome.Ray Girvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05556764642402680159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14600985.post-71113217989836215862009-03-01T23:29:00.000+00:002009-03-01T23:29:00.000+00:00Yes, I also think it's a variant on the Campbell C...Yes, I also think it's a variant on the Campbell Cycle (see <A HREF="http://www.segalbooks.com/monomyth_small.jpg" REL="nofollow">diagram</A>). It has the crossing of the threshold into adventure ... loop starts and repeats and repeats ... then coming back out again with the boon (self-knowledge, redemption, getting the girl, maybe solving the problem of why the loop exists). A Campbell Cycle with the Initiation phase (puzzles, trials and helpers etc) played out repeatedly.Ray Girvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05556764642402680159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14600985.post-49245585978665217742009-03-01T20:49:00.000+00:002009-03-01T20:49:00.000+00:00It always helps if you are particularly naughty be...It always helps if you are particularly naughty before the redemption, i.e. the Prodigal Son. However, you can go beyond naughty, a la Milton's Lucifer. One thing you didn't mention, and I wonder if it is included, is the mandatory journey as formulated by Joseph Campbell. In the case of Science Fiction, there is (going out on a limb here) always a journey, if not in space, then in time. Gully Foyle, in "The Stars My Destination" (sorry, Felix) is the proto traveller. It is interesting that the modern American fashion of taking a victory lap (e.g. Obama on the train to Washington) puts the journey <I>after</I> the redemption.Dr. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06255898610620668624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14600985.post-711910077990816072009-02-28T20:45:00.000+00:002009-02-28T20:45:00.000+00:00Thanks! Of related interest, I just dug out of the...Thanks! Of related interest, I just dug out of the archives a lost blog post from 2001, which looks at a specific of this theme: the odd situation where two different authors, Leon Arden and Richard Lupoff, wrote works using the repeated-day motif, and <I>both</I> think they were uniquely plagiarised by <I>Groundhog Day</I>. See <A HREF="http://segalbooks.blogspot.com/2009/02/growlery-currently-has-very-interesting.html" REL="nofollow">Déjà view</A>.Ray Girvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05556764642402680159noreply@blogger.com